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F15的空重到底是多少?Lock On里F15的爬升是否真实?

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发表于 2010-11-12 13:28:33 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
Lock On里及大多数资料里F-15C的空重是13吨左右,最大推力222千牛,推力和空重比值1.74。这个比值避免了载油量的干扰,是一个纯粹的技术水平指标。
让我们再来看看其他飞机的推力空重比:
F-22空重是19.7吨左右,最大推力312千牛,推力和空重比值1.62。
台风空重是11吨左右,最大推力180千牛,推力和空重比值1.67。
阵风空重是9.5吨左右,最大推力152千牛,推力和空重比值1.52。
F-18E空重是13.9吨左右,最大推力196千牛,推力和空重比值1.44。
F-16C空重是8.6吨左右,最大推力127千牛,推力和空重比值1.51。
Su-27SK空重是16.4吨左右,最大推力246千牛,推力和空重比值1.53。

FA-18C是1.55,Mig-29是1.50,JAS-39C是1.49,F-2是1.40,Saab-37是1.34,幻影2000C是1.33,IDF是1.32,J-10A是1.28(保守了,愤青别扔砖头啊!救命啊!),Mig-25P是1.14,F-8E是1.12。

什么概念!F-15C是1.74!!!远超过F-22和台风!
代表了最新科技和注重超音速的F-22和台风也没有超过1.7,广大三代机和三代半一般在1.5左右,偏重对地的三代机一般在1.4左右,一些发动机比较杯具的三代机在1.3左右(以幻影2000C、IDF和J-10A两岸三机为代表的)。

出于公平比较,大家都带上空重65%的荷载去PK,此时推重比如下:
F-15C 推重比1.13
F-22 推重比1.05
台风 推重比1.09
阵风 推重比0.99
F-18E 推重比0.94
F-16C 推重比0.98
Su-27SK 推重比0.99

FA-18C 推重比1.01
Mig-29 推重比0.98
JAS-39C 推重比0.97
F-2 推重比0.91
Saab-37 推重比0.87
幻影2000C 推重比0.87
IDF 推重比0.86
J-10A推重比0.83
Mig-25P 推重比0.74
F-8E 推重比0.73

推重比在现代空战的作用和意义不在本文讨论范围内,我只想说:我们把F-15C的数据弄错了。它的空重不可能是13吨。
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发表于 2010-11-12 14:57:23 | 显示全部楼层
LO里面不真实,为游戏平衡性而做了取舍,听说F15C在一次战斗中飞出12G,在LO中飞到9G都不可能。
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发表于 2010-11-12 14:58:54 | 显示全部楼层
IL2  其实也不真实, 但,二战的数据最起码解密了,飞机的气动包线已经不再是秘密。

二战模拟飞行,IL2 的真实度高于Lock On。

LO飞行包线根本飞不出高空最大速度和动升限。

最重要的是不要把ED 游戏当作真实。




http://gizmodo.com/5040388/flowe ... lanes-with-rainbows


Flowerpower F-15 Breaks Mach 2, USAF to Start Painting Planes with Rainbows
The USAF keeps pushing forward the race towards cleaner skies—and leaner warmachine and potential global mayhem costs—moving from pure oil-derived fuel to a mixture between oil and synthetic fuel. The new benchmark is not a B1 bomber, which they already put through its paces using a similar mix, but a fighter jet: They broke the Mach 2 barrier using the new fuel mix in an F-15, which according to the Air Force is a crucial step:

They are much higher performance and a much more demanding environment. That was just another risk reduction step to prove the aircraft was not leaking fuel and the engines were behaving nominally. We asked them [the pilots] point-blank if they noticed any difference in performance and they said it was a "non-event". In other words, they couldn't tell the difference. The aircraft behaved the same.

The test this time started with a 50-minute ground test, pushing the engines to full afterburner. In the flight, the pilots put the F-15 to Mach 2.2, approximately 1,450mph. Hopefully, this experiments will also change the civilian airline industry, all in the name of costs and a cool looking environmentally-friendly brochure.



http://www.military.com/news/art ... synthetic-fuel.html

F-15 Hits Mach 2 on Synthetic Fuel
August 21, 2008
Macon Telegraph

ROBINS AIR FORCE BASE, Ga. - History was made at Robins Air Force Base this week as an F-15 Eagle flew at more than twice the speed of sound using a blend of synthetic fuel.

The Aug. 19 flight was the world's first test of a high performance fighter aircraft powered by a 50-50 mix of traditional JP-8 jet fuel and a synthetic using natural gas as a source.

The Air Force already had tested the new blend on a C-17 cargo aircraft and B-52 and B-1 bombers. But Jeff Braun, director of the Air Force's Alternative Fuels Certification Office at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio, conceded that fighter aircraft offered a much different challenge.

"They are much higher performance and a much more demanding environment," he said during a late afternoon interview.

Braun said the daylong process included a 50-minute ground test Tuesday morning that pushed the aircraft's engines from military power to full afterburner.

"That was just another risk reduction step to prove the aircraft was not leaking fuel and the engines were behaving nominally," he said.

The actual test flight came in the afternoon. "It was a full functional check flight of about 55 minutes," the engineer said, "reaching speeds of Mach 2.2." Mach 2.2 is approximately 1,450 mph.

Immediate feedback came from the pilots.

"We asked them point-blank if they noticed any difference in performance and they said it was a 'non-event,' " Braun reported. "In other words, they couldn't tell the difference. The aircraft behaved the same."

Additional testing was to continue Wednesday. "We'll have two more sorties then the Robins engineers will put their final analysis and reports together," he indicated. "Hopefully, they will grant us the certification to use the fuel operationally if need be."

The Warner Robins Air Logistics Center at Robins is responsible for worldwide sustainment and support for the Air Force's F-15 fleet, including overall engineering oversight for the air superiority weapon system.

Braun said his office will continue the testing process until all Air Force aircraft have been certified. The nation's newest fighter, the F-22, will be flown next week along with the KC-135 tanker.

"We've scheduled an aerial refueling demonstration Aug. 28 between both aircraft," he said. "Both will be flying on the synthetic blend and the KC-135 will be passing it to the F-22 in flight."

Next will come the C-5, C-130 and F-16. "We're doing our homework and analysis with every platform," Braun stressed. "We're trying to get them through the process as expeditiously and safely as possible. We want to prove that our fleet can use a different fuel so that we can encourage industry to develop alternative sources."

The Ohio-based director had high praise for the technical team at Robins. "They did a helluva job," he pointed out. "The test was very well thought out and very well run by the engineers, the maintenance team and the pilots flying the aircraft."
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发表于 2010-11-12 18:39:17 | 显示全部楼层
福说八道
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发表于 2011-4-4 14:24:19 | 显示全部楼层
数据没错,其实F-15A只有12吨左右的……
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发表于 2011-4-5 06:19:33 | 显示全部楼层
[s:14] 所谓的推重比一般都是拿海平面的发动机最大推力/飞机重量算出来的。
实际上呢。。。高空的发动机推力可要变小不少,当然高空空气阻力也会小一些,所以么。。。飞机速度可以达到比较高的程度,但是飞机的加速性能/爬升能力就比较弱了。
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发表于 2011-4-7 23:09:51 | 显示全部楼层

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哎呀,人家说得是推重比,也就是推力与质量之比,不关阻力的事的,所以推重比不能代表加速度。参数还有什么升阻比、翼载之类的。

光看最大推力没用。F-15的飞行阻力大。

这个飞机如果开加力:
1.不带油箱,很快就没油。虽然推力与质量之比较大,但飞机形状使得飞机阻力也较大。
2.带油箱,阻力和质量更大,推比优势没了。

高级飞机不开加力的推力大,这也是高级之处。
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发表于 2011-4-8 00:57:59 | 显示全部楼层

Re:回 5楼(HoneyFox) 的帖子

引用第6楼Ragnarok于2011-04-07 23:09发表的 回 5楼(HoneyFox) 的帖子 :
哎呀,人家说得是推重比,也就是推力与质量之比,不关阻力的事的,所以推重比不能代表加速度。参数还有什么升阻比、翼载之类的。

光看最大推力没用。F-15的飞行阻力大。

这个飞机如果开加力:
.......

人家说的是爬升能力吧。爬升能力考虑的就是飞机的推力加速度恰好与阻力及重力分量产生的加速度相抵消。换句话说就是考虑推重比和阻力。能不考虑这两个因素吗?
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发表于 2015-1-15 05:41:08 | 显示全部楼层
应该是真实的,但是这是模拟
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