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TonyX

discussion of how to best defeat the R-77 Medium-Range Missile (AKA AA-12 Adder).

1: ECM on to deny bandit an early lock
2: Get high and fast, 30,000 feet plus to extend AIM-120 Rmax 500+ Kts
3: If bandit is jamming (no radar brick) you have to burn through the jammer, use RWS with reduced barscans to 2 bars. If he's not jamming use TWS mode instead.
4: Achieve radar lock and fire just inside of Rmax
5: Crank right or left and put bandit at the edge of your radar gimbles
6: Reduce speed (Very important as this delays his launch Rmax)
7: Watch target aspect and your RWR spike and your WEZ circle
8: If bandit has turned away to defeat the AIM-120 long shot, turn back into him and push the fight. You know if he has turned away as the RWR will not show a spike, and your missile WEZ will shrink.
9: If bandit has fired you have two choices, but turn ECM off to deny HOJ

[a] (Aggressive) Keep him on the edge of radar gimbles untill your AIM-120 goes
pitbull, then slice back and run, full AB, put the RWR spike on your six. Go downhill  full AB, but if the RWR continues to show the M symbol, prepare to climb and then
beam the R-77 as it runs out of energy.

(Defensive) Slice back and run before pitbull, he might leave his ECM on and your slammer will go HOJ while you will outrun the R-77

I've had the AI do aggressive BVR tactics and defensive as well. Perhaps the most
challenging is the fight were the bandit turns away to defeat an AIM-120 long shot, and as you push the fight, and get a medium range AIM-120 shot, he turns into you and fires an R-77 at you. I found that a split S right at slammer pitbull with full AB dive can shake the R-77 as the Mig is often destroyed.

edrasom

可以试试看[s:8]，谢谢了LZ

拜仁

破S用来躲导弹貌似没多大用处，倒不如直接90度转向。距离远还好，距离近如果还俯冲的话，那就等着挨炸吧。所以保守的做法还是90度转向后高速飞行并抛干扰，有余力者还可以反复拉起－降低高度－拉起。

TonyX

还是看双方的距离的，如果在18-20nm（大概是R77的E-Pole之外）做split-s+AB逃是有用的，
如果进了E-Pole（也就是不可逃逸区），只能AB机动到3-9线加干扰，在导弹的最后阶段做大G机动了。

理论上是这样子，但是判断做大G机动的时机很难掌握，AF里说可以通过威胁是否在RWR的inner ring判断，OF的RWR分inner ring和out ring吗？ 我试了下，没感觉威胁会从out ring跳到inner ring， 光靠目视判断导弹距离太难了

rois

Rne指的是导弹发射瞬间目标做6G机动转向180度飞离发射机然后以1G加速到比导弹发射时快300节的过程, 如果这样机动以后导弹还能追上目标, 那么说明发射是在Rne以内的~
所以如果目标刚刚进Rne你就发射, 他做8G急转180度再全加力超音速逃跑还是能够拖死导弹的~

拜仁

刚进射程就发射的导弹很容易被拖死。所以那些号称五六十射程的都是吹出来的，实战中目标不是轰炸机，谁会那么远发射。海外战争18用120击落29的战例还是进入到视距发射的……[s:40][s:40][s:40]

TonyX

海湾战争的mig29配的飞弹太烂了，如果有R27ET和R77，估计等到目视距离就被人插个洞了

拜仁

没有预警机或者地面雷达支持，被人接近到目视距离是很正常的事。[s:32][s:32][s:32]

TonyX

美机有雷达的呀，我想不会进入战区就雷达静默，就听预警机的引导吧
所以Mig29应该在30-40nm就能在RWR上接受到美机的雷达信号...

是不是LO都是搞暗杀的，有光电呀，美机应该不是这个战术吧，美机应该是
开着个大功率干扰，不怕别人不知道它的存在大摇大摆的就进来了

拜仁

我就是说当年海湾战争伊拉克的29没AWACS和地面雷达的支援，被摸屁股很正常。其实TWS是没有雷达告警的。另外，雷达告警接收机是有盲区的。跟要命的是毛子的雷达告警系统，如果你要问，照射我的是敌人还是自己人，它会告诉你，不知道。如果你问，目标的型号是什么，它会告诉你，不知道。如果你问，目标的精确方位，它还是告诉你不知道……后半球还只有两盏灯，如此简陋的雷达告警系统，要么死在无声无息之中，要么吓死自己还没找到目标。